Figure 13.3 shows a model of the resistance and capacitance between each input terminal and ground and . A typical MM cartridge has an impedance of around 600 ohms + 400mH, and a load of 1000pF would give a massive peak in the response at around 5kHz, so is totally unsuitable. The Amp I uses a unity gain driver-stage to isolate the amplifier stage from the high input capacitance presented by the multiple high power MOSFETs of the output stage. If you possess a more elaborate turntable and one of the better Moving Magnets (e.g. TURNTABLES AND HEADPHONES Audiolab has developed a new, improved MM phono stage for the 9000A, with a low-noise circuit with precise RIAA equalisation, precision input filtering and an upgraded power supply. No standard circuit will have an input capacitance of 470pF in a phono stage without the addition of an external capacitor. . Most record players (Rega excepted) provide the user with a wire coming from the deck, and terminated in a metal hook, which is looped onto the grounding post and tightened down. . Choose from Same Day Delivery, Drive Up or Order Pickup. Firstly, the mains noise floor was substantially reduced, allowing the listener to hear into the recording more and follow instrument lines in dense mixes. I know, but does it calculate in for total capacitance as seen by the cartridge? If present I would just remove them. This phono stage by Vertere smoked everything at its price. So I picked up a new phono preamp recently, a Pro-Ject Tube Box S2. Thanks all. Forum members I can't stress enough that the electrical part of the cartridge is the brains and has more influence on the sound than the mechanical portion of the system stylus cantilever. I just do not see the potential crisis and soldering does not change the capacitance. Buying a record player is not always as easy as acquiring the most expensive turntable you can afford and plugging it into an amp and speakers. So i was assuming there are a pair of 200pf caps. 7, both . These gimmicks can normally be be switched out of the signal path. Many turntables only offer a basic cartridge, and the tonearms are usually capable of accepting much better cartridges. With the availability of varioius phono stages I see that the input capacitance varies from make to make. Matching the input impedance of the phono preamp and the output impedance of the cartridge is crucial to achieve a flat frequency response. We expect another 90pFd from 3 feet of cable. "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" - Teixeira Pascoaes. Adding your measured capacitance of 19pF for the board, the cold ECC83 and phono socket = 100pF. I refurbished some time ago Ariston RD11s turntable with SME3009S2 tone arm. Given all the problems ashok has outlined in reducing capacitance, you have to wonder about a cartridge needing 60pF. > Phono Stages & Phono Boards. So I need to put a 68 pF capacitor in series with the hot line - what material/spec would work best? Blue Jean cable is 10pF. With a host of customisable features, it offers exceptional value for money and brings a notable upgrade to any mid-/high-end analogue hi-fi system. . RG-179 is extremely flexible at 10pF per foot.. The Moving Magnet (MM) cartridge. The P5 and Goldring totalled roughly 900 and the Creek cost a few pounds shy of 300 MRP, i.e. Quad 34/405 combo sounded a bit dull as 34 . If the input capacitance is lower than recommended, this is easily rectified with small parallel capacitors but unfortunately there is no easy remedy if it is too high, which is the reason why I would like to know a definitive answer the the question of the input capacitance of the Phono 3 with either ECC83 or 5751 valves. . What's in the Box Pluto 2 Phono Preamp Power Cord User Guide Specifications Input impedance: 47 k Input capacitance: 100 pF Gain: 40 dB @ 1 kHz THD+N: 0.005% (A-weighted) S/N ratio: 90 dB (A-weighted) RIAA . As a rule of thumb I suggest spending no more than the MRP of your amplifier on a phono stage. The results are fine and about s/n was the highest ratio for a tube phono measure in Audioreview, 82-84 dB. Since A v can be a significantly large number, the input capacitance of the stage can be very high. Gain Level - Adjustable. It is easy to overlook what mature technologies can still offer amidst all the clamor of the digital revolution. Nuggets include 2 series of ABBA Gold Anomalies / More ABBA Gold Anomalies, the Magical Musical Moments series and Hi Fi 101. These cartridges are very versatile and popular, with prices ranging from about 25 (for the Audio-Technica AT95E or Rega Carbon) to about 500 for the Ortofon 2M Black. An amplifier of this type will normally also have a grounding post to combat mains hum from the turntable. Compared to the previous model, the Mk4 has numerous improvements to both external construction and internal circuitry, including; the A/C power block is now fully isolated from . The first way is to use a phono preamp (and cable interconnect) that has low input capacitance. . I will solder it in my Luxman PD 272. by jvo 07 Dec 2003 20:59, Post . The difference in amplitude at 10kHz between a 350mH and 650mH MM cartridge, loaded with 100pF of wiring and 100pF of phono stage input capacitance, is 1.2dB. Recommended load capacitances I have seen for various MM cartridges range from 100 to 500 pf or so. The Naim . bass notes are boosted (because they were reduced at the record cutting stage) and previously boosted treble notes are cut back thereby reproducing, all other parts of the system being good enough, the frequencies that we, the listeners, were intended to hear. Worth checking if your manufacturer or dealer is happy to change the cap. by WAPFU 07 Dec 2003 07:52, Post The resonant frequency if things are matched properly will be. A vinyl lover could listen to it for hours. 40dB / 50dB / 54dB / 60dB / 66dB. There's some inside the input tube. GAIN: 4-step user adjustable, 50, 55, 60 and 65 dB active gain at 1 kHz referred to the FIXED output jack into a 10 kOhm load. to suit the exact cartridge. I measured the capacitance of the signal cable currently being supplied as about 20pF, so this would give a total input capacitance of . This is multiplied by stage gain, "Miller". In this article I will guide the prospective purchaser through the minefield of phono stages, since upgrading the phono stage can provide one of the most dramatic improvements to sound quality. The sonic benefits of its Moving Magnet input above the already-quite-good phono stage in my amp were nothing short of startling. The power transfer here is irrelevant, the input stage of the headamp must provide correct amounts of electrical damping to stop the coil assembly from resonating at high frequencies. accuphase (27); atc (54); audeze (13); audio technica (81); audio research (0); auralic (7 . I totally agree with Sreten..there is something seriously wrong in this idea. The 47K number, btw, is not capacitance, it is the recommended load RESISTANCE (47,000 ohms) for many MM's, and approximately corresponds to the input resistance of many or most phono stages or preamp phono inputs, that are intended for use with MM's. Recommended load capacitance for MM's is typically in the area of 100 to 400 pf (picofarads). Rega gives no specification for this, which is very unusual. You can't remove any other caps from the circuit either. The frequency they do this at depends on the inductance and capacitance values and the amplitude depends on the resistive damping (input resistor setting). But, not sure if adding the 12AX7 miller capacitance is part of the equation. If they offer a phono stage at all, it will be MM only. Strange question. The cathode follower is essential to ensure a low output impedance for driving cables. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I wouldn't fret too much over a few pF, it won't make that much difference. And this with a flawless sound which points far . Input connections from the deck are BNC. Please see This Post for a detailed rundown of our reference system. by docjowe 07 Dec 2003 22:13, Post I mention these only in passing, simply because they still exist. . A turntable stylus therefore has less difficulty tracking the grooves. a 3:1 ratio. The electrical output of a cartridge is far too small to be amplified adequately by simply plugging it into a normal RCA-style line input. Secondly, the sound was more powerful, slightly louder yes, but the bass was much more solid and overall more punchy and rhythmic. harby, Nov 15, 2018 #9 allied333 Audiophile Thread Starter Location: FL harby said: I have no background in electronics whatsoever so this could be a really silly question. . I have been recently experimenting with Stanton 881S cartridge and tried to get max performance out of this combination. This is multiplied by stage gain, "Miller". Now add the phono stage input capacitance . by JaS 08 Dec 2003 12:07, Post However, the phono stage contains circuitry which applies the RIAA curve in reverse, i.e. Plugging 470 pF and 68 pF into that equation gives an effective capacitance of 59.405 pF. by jvo 08 Dec 2003 06:49, Post - known as a "line level" signal, allowing it to be connected to an amplifier via a standard line input. I figure the double shield is worth it for a turntable. i.e. If there is then unplug them to remove the extra capacitance. A phono stage is needed for two reasons. _____ These days the expected values are lower, which leaves many MMs sounding bright/shrill while also lacking upper HF extension. The cart I want to use has a recommended input capacitance of 60 pF. It looks like they are optional plugins into an external Loading socket. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Grado is the only low inductance MI cartridge line and are not effected by capacitance loading. A 12AX7 has a gain factor of 100, so if one instead substitutes a 12AT7 or 5751, you get about 60% the effective input capacitance from tube parasitic capacitance, and a bit lower output level. I will clamp a heat sink on the center wire. All other values clearly result in inferior flatness data to the 500-ohm setting." Feel Free to Post the Video Links anywhere you like. Forum Home | Turntable Audio | Graham Slee Phono Stages New Posts FAQ Register Login. The output level from a turntable is lower than other "line level" music sources (e.g. The Miller capacitance is a product of the natural capacitance and the gain factor of the tube. The capacitance of the phono cable should be taken into account when matching a MM cartridge to the phono stage as the capacitance of the cable adds to the capacitance of the phono input." It's a keeper. When the signals are re-joined at the phono stage, the picked-up noise is cancelled out by the opposing signals. 1/C=1/C1+1/C2. by WAPFU 06 Dec 2003 20:46, Post Since the first time I laid my eyes on it, I've liked the look of Naim gear, with military-grade, drab-colored housings . I suspect the stated input capacitance is the internal capacitance of the circuit/tubes. Of what I can remember Ortofons like to see a total of 400 pF, but Shures will not change their sonic results. I hadn't forgotten the cable capacitance, just assuming it's a constant. This capacitor has been dimensioned assuming a certain minimum input resistance of the preamp: because good caps are expensive, the manufacturer uses the smallest one he can get away with. No I don't mean C3 and C11. Input capacitance: 50, 150, 300, 400 pF. Input Capacitance, MM (selectable): 0pF, 22pF, 47pF, 69pF, 100pF, 122pF, 147pF, 169pF, 220pF, 242pF, 267pF, 289pF, 320pF, 342pF . Additional gain available via the two autoformer inputs' step-up . Musical and lovely. More elaborate Phono Stages allow the selection or variation in the Gain level and MM Capacitance / MC Resistance settings. Is there anything plugged into them? They should not be plugged into a Moving Magnet Phono Stage! Once you get into MC cartridges, the extremely low voltage that can vary between models and brands, the capability to change these the characteristics drastically. You'll also find examples of the author's songwriting and photography. Rhea broke new ground as the first phono stage with 3 phono inputs, the first with gain and loading settings stored in memory for every input, and the first with full remote control adjustability. Or a different pre. Home: Brands. The arm cable wiring and phono cartridge itself will also add some capacitance. If you enjoy the content on this site and want to help us stay online, please consider making a donation. These qualities are all present in the Goldring 1042 cartridge and adding the Creek OB-15 phono stage simply brought the capabilities of the cartridge into focus and showed me what it could do. Moreover, the phono preamp has a 47k resistor. As an Amazon Associate, we may earn commissionsfrom qualifying purchases from Amazon.com. In the case of the popular Rega turntables this can be ignored. MM and MC capability as well as 'on-the-fly' impedance adjustment and multiple capacitance settings make this a feature-rich, sound-first design. Most of these devices also provide a line-out RCA socket to enable the sound to be boosted by an external amplifier. Stop it. The phono stage you choose will depend on the record player you have and the type of cartridge you wish to use. They work very well with record players costing from about 150 (for the Pro-ject Elemental) to around 900 (for a Rega RP6). You can unsubscribe at any time, and your personal data will never be shared. Most MM cartridges require a load capacitance in the range 100 to 200pF, and usually 100pF of that is due to the phono cable. A tube phono preamp or a solid state prone preamp that has a warm character. This is usually 10-20 times the cartridge impedance (30 to 100 ohm), capacitance unless in high values do not affect it. I think the 60pF requirement must be a typo . Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by allied333, Nov 15, 2018. Grooves containing high bass content would be especially large and those containing high treble content would be so tiny that the finer-than-a-human-hair stylus tip that the best needles are equipped with would simply not cope. The Phono Box DS3 B is a dual-mono, fully discrete moving magnet and moving coil phono stage with balanced inputs and outputs. The Phono Box DS2 is a highly adjustable phono preamplifier suitable for a wide variety of MM and MC cartridges. IEC / RIAA. The input gain is 40dB and the Spartan 5 will take a typical moving magnet cartridge output of 5mV up to a full 500mV line level output which provides more than enough headroom to drive even an insensitive preamplifier or active speaker even when the cartridge is of a lower output; 2.5mV and greater are common figures. which will yield an input capacitance of 247pF. A simple line-in socket intended for a radio tuner, DVD, CD player and the like, does not contain this RIAA correction circuitry. . The other day I received a tweet with a link to a review of about 10 different phono stages. If an amplifier does not have a phono socket, then the user will need to seek out a separate phono stage. Plus a 10 year warranty, makes this phono a no-brainer for $1599.00. by michaelwnz 07 Dec 2003 06:43, Post This phono stage catered for both Moving Coils and Moving Magnets, although I would not recommend the MC input as anything but a stopgap, or for use with a sub-300 Moving Coil yes these do exist! Posted: 29 Jul 2011 5:11 pm . Ideally phono stage and cartridge should be bought together, since an MC phono stage will be equipped with jumper switches to allow the user to tailor its resistance and capacitance (2 terms which I dont understand!!) the manual states the input capacitance is 200pf without adding anything additional through the jacks. the manual states the input capacitance is 200pf without adding anything additional through the jacks. Note however that built-in phono stages and the cheaper separate units should only be considered as a get-you-going solution. Those are nowhere near the input, and nowhere near the Loading socket. by michaelwnz 07 Dec 2003 08:30, Post If adjustable on your phono preamp, treat the input capacitance (measured in pF) similarly to an MM as well. Of course the P10 is a reference phono stage and a bit more than your spending amt, but read up on the P5. You are using an out of date browser. Judge for yourself here, http://www.factmag.com/2016/04/19/best-phono-amplifiers-turntable-vinyl/ but I dont actually think he did more than write, very nice dear, about each phono stage. Capacitance is everywhere. The Moving Coil (MC) cartridge. The other way is to use a phono preamp that has a warm sound characteristic. Your solution would be to find the input capacitor and remove it. That is where additional load resistors and the capacitors would be connected. The tonearm itself contributes about 20-25pf. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Moving Coil cartridges produce an even lower signal than Moving Magnets, and need their own dedicated input. Isn't the formula for series caps the same as for resistors in parallel? While turntable and cartridge options have been rather plentiful, the affordable MM/MC phono stage category below $400 has been dominated by only a few models from Schiit Audio, U-Turn, Cambridge Audio, and Rega. Buy Pro-Ject T1 Phono SB Turntable with Electronic Speed Change and built-in Phono Preamp (Black) at Amazon UK. JavaScript is disabled. If there's nothing connected then you already have NO additional loading capacitance. Page 1 of 2 [ 17 posts ] Go to page 1, 2 Next Previous topic | Next topic : Author Message; gofar99 Post subject: Input Loading on a Tubed Phono Stage. The lower the capacitance of the phono input, the brighter the sound gets. Record players using these can simply be plugged into a line-in socket if the user wishes to bypass the built-in speakers. Changing the resistance slightly will make a much bigger change in sound, if that's what you're after. Owing to its cutting-edge technology, it has the gift to spoil even the most demanding music enthusiasts. A phono stage (also known as a phono pre-amp) provides the connection between the record player and an amplifier. Featuring ultra low noise components and extreme RIAA accuracy, the P75 provides a high quality signal for amplification. Input Capacitance - Adjustable. The StageLine does not come with a Power Supply. Quote Reply Topic: MM Input Capacitance Posted: 10 Feb 2021 at 8:42am: Hello everyone. The K170GR circuit seems to be popular for phono input stages, and a number of these are circulating on the Internet. No. All by rele on board with a little pcb connected on pin jack. This is what surprised me too when I saw these graphs. then the noise is . Anyone else on the 12AX7 miller capacitance? If you're out by a good percentage in either direction the sound will deteriorate de-facto. Welcome to the Graham Slee Audio Products Owners Club . Whilst we are discussing budget turntables, there are some record players which include a built-in phono stage, so that a person whose amplifier doesnt include a phono stage can simply plug the deck into a line input. Often the primary input set capacitor is just a ceramic or (hopefully) polystyrene cap sitting across the the input terminals, so very easy to modify. Depends on selection of EF184; I found the Telefunkes as the best. However, it is rather a high flyer than a stopgap. Some MM- cartridges are sensitive for it and some are not. As far as budgeting for a phono stage goes, bear these pointers in mind: Whichever your choice, I hope this article has whetted your appetite and given you food for thought, whether you are upgrading from an amplifier phono input or buying a vinyl-based hi-fi system for the first time. Post The more involved manufacturing process tends to mean that a better Moving Magnet will outperform a Moving Coil of the same price. Is it a typo, or was the manufacturer completely unaware of the real world? That's why "most 200-300pf". With the ability to switch easily between various impedance, capacitance and gain settings, this is easily one of the most user friendly phono stages capable of delivering a high-end sound. Free delivery and returns on eligible orders. by blueintheface 07 Dec 2003 23:18, Post According to your schematic there should be 2 additional RCA jacks labeled as 'LOADING'. The usual tonearm wiring capacitance (measured) for most tonearms I've ever encountered is around 20-25pf. SNR MM (40dB): 103dBV . JavaScript is disabled. The valves must be dual triodes of the popular pin-compatible type, e.g. We expect about 90pFd from this cause alone. These are normally labelled, "CD, Tuner, Aux, Line 1" etc A shure V!5 requires 47K ohm and 220pF how well does it go with 100pF. Do you see the jacks? If your amplifier has a built-in phono stage, then use that, as it will likely result in better sound. The preamp section is kept as simple as possible to maintain signal purity, with line input signals passing to a precision, microprocessor-controlled analogue volume stage. Treble was well-controlled, and overall I felt that the sound was very natural. The electrical output of a cartridge is far too small to be amplified adequately by simply plugging it into a normal RCA-style line input. If you wish to buy a phono stage for use with a Moving Coil cartridge, I would suggest very careful listening and research, as well as applying my budget formula. Look to spend upwards of 1000 on a decent one, although there are cheaper. I have measured the input capacitance for the amplifier in Fig. 150+ 36 (cable) + 2 (RCA) + 10 (tone arm) + 8 (amp wiring) = 206pF total. It is expressed in units of farads. However, these are generally built to cost (a tick on the features list) rather . the Goldring 1042 at nearly 300) then apply the deck plus cartridge formula more rigidly. . Circuit speed (slew-rate and transient intermodulation distortion), and high-frequency stability reveal a damn sight more. For low-level phono signals you will might need shielding. It's inherent to the devices. To add to Ralph's (Atmasphere's) response, with which I of course agree, the input capacitance of the phono stage will add to the capacitance of the phono cable. because the vast majority of cartridges are 1] made to work with existing tone arm wiring capacitance plus phono preamp input capacitance - and that can add up to 200 - 300 pico farads, the sensible mm manufacturer will choose to make the cartridge inductance close to 500mh - plus or minus a little, and 2] because the output is closely dependant The graphs in my ancient HFChoice booklets tell me that extra capacitors will lower the high frequency resonance. The only firm product recommendation I will suggest, simply because I used it successfully for many years with a Rega P5/Goldring 1042 turntable/cartridge system, is the Creek OBH-15, now in Mark 2 guise. In this way, bass grooves end up smaller and treble grooves end up larger. This is a sophisticated phono stage based on a high-end passive/active ultra-linear phono equalization. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), http://www.factmag.com/2016/04/19/best-phono-amplifiers-turntable-vinyl/. Input Loading on a Tubed Phono Stage. The Ceramic (sometimes called the piezo-electric) cartridge. The Dynavector P75 Mk4 is an adjustable phono preamp suitable for use with almost any cartridge. Where are input capacitors for MFA Magus phono stage, 5446CD4D-4375-49C3-B473-DC4516BFFC7D.jpeg, 597315ED-0BCD-42E9-921D-4C158B7976E7.jpeg. Enter your eMail address to subscribe and we'll notify you whenever there's a new post. That I know of only a couple of unshielded cables (DNM and discontinued Cyrus) fit the description. The basic circuit topology is classic, consisting of three valves: input stage, second gain stage, and DC-coupled cathode follower. No products in the cart. Especially if your record deck cost around the 400 mark, it might make sense to buy a SLIGHTLY more expensive phono stage in the first place to make provision for a cartridge upgrade. ECC81 / ECC82 / ECC83 / ECC88 / 12AT7 / 12AU7 / 12AX7 . A mismatch results either in dark dull sound or an overbright, distorted signal. . By utilizing four power MOSFETs in a dual . The idea here is that you can attain the 'flavor' of a moving coil with the functionality of a moving . When a phono cartridge is used, the input capacitor is used to generate an electrical signal. Docjowe has uploaded a scan from 1979 showing a couple of different types of phono equalisation kit that where available back then, not to mention turning up occasionally now on ebay. Exactly how much bass or treble is cut or boosted will depend on the precise frequency. They are used on very inexpensive record players that often contain built in amplification and speakers. My phono stage has an input capacitance of 470 pF. Low capacitance would be below 20pF/m or ~6pF/ft if my early morning math is correct. Phono Stage Vincent - Audio Detail - Ming Da - Hanss A turntable pre-amplifier (also known as a phono stage) is a device that takes the low signal output from a turntable and matches it to a level comparable to other hi-fi devices (such as CD players, tuners etc.) The gain is variable in three position, 40-43-46 dB Also the load is variable on 6 position. - The S2's fixed input impedance of 47k is just right. Gain (+ 6dB using XLR Out): 40, 45, 60, 65 dB. The result either from an amplifiers built-in phono stage or a separate component will be to boost the signal of the turntable cartridge so that it can be amplified in the normal way. by blueintheface 07 Dec 2003 13:18, Post They are all needed either for coupling, compensation or RIAA filtering. These are normally labelled, CD, Tuner, Aux, Line 1 etc Despite the fact that physically these sockets look the same and will fit the plugs of a record player, the resultant electrical signal will be too small. I expressed myself clearly. (AT) cobbers, Aug 30, 2020 #5 retseldrib pfm Member Wow. Rhea is an all-tube phono stage, suitable for moving coil and moving magnet cartridges. A basic Phono Stage will have a Moving Magnet input set at 47 KOhms and the Moving Coil Input at 100 Ohms with a set Gain level and set MM Capacitance / MC Resistance settings. The 200pF input capacitance is due to the tubes and circuit topology chosen in the design. The circuitry and wiring through the preamp on your amplifier affect MC signals. This will help reduce the boost in signal level we see from 5 kHz to 15 kHz. I was inspired to write this article by the contributor to Hi Fi World Magazine, Paul Rigby. Therefore, when a record is cut in the studio, an EQ curve called the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) is applied, which cuts bass and boosts the treble. Ceramic cartridges have a higher electrical output than Moving Magnet or Moving Coil cartridges and as such they DO NOT NEED a phono stage. You should check before you start soldering that cable - the stuff they are selling and I believe what you bought has a foam dielectric and is not recommended for soldered connections as you will lose you capacitance spec. Thus, if your cables have a capacitance of 250 pF and you set the preamp for 47 pF, the total capacitive load on the cartridge is 297 Pf. Vinyl's appeal as a medium of the highest quality still rightfully endures, despite our convenience led music market. I fully understand why manufacturers don't usually publish frequency response tolerances for their cartridges because they would be all over the place. I strongly urge you to talk to Blue Jeans rather than sit here and mindlessly argue with me, maybe they can explain it to you in a way that you can understand, Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. Needless to say, it is better to put the few pounds extra towards a better budget deck that does NOT include a phono/USB facility, since the budget will have been spent on parts of the turntable that matter. . A phono stage is needed for two reasons. The electrical signal that a CD player feeds to an amplifier is much higher than a phono cartridge.. It's more crucial with fixed coil cartridges like your Shure than with moving coils. Your valve stage has an series output capacitor, for keeping its internal DC off the output lines. R S is usually shorted to achieve minimum noise. If your preamp has a 470pF input capacitance , then it must be due to a capacitor soldered across it's input. I do think adding up the capacitance is that simple. As a further guide, think about the MRP of your turntable and chosen cartridge COMBINED and look to spending about a third to a half of that figure. maybe 40 ?years -they just plain work. Plugging that back into your input capacitance calculation would give Miller effect capacitance = 3x37.1 = 81pF. If records were cut with an exact representation of the bass and treble content, even a stylusfitted to a modern 1000+ cartridge would not be able to track the record correctly. A 12AX7 has a gain factor of 100, so if one instead substitutes a 12AT7 or 5751, you get about 60% the effective input capacitance from tube parasitic capacitance, and a bit lower output level. I just think on this occasion he missed a trick and certainly on the point of budgeting I think the poor reader would be left thinking, Well if phono stage X costs 39 why would anyone want to spend in excess of 1000? So lets start at the beginning. 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